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		<title>By: T-Willard</title>
		<link>http://www.whatisdeepfried.com/2010/01/18/hot-water/comment-page-1/#comment-16949</link>
		<dc:creator>T-Willard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s one thing that annoys me about the current Republican party. I was raised Republican, and taught that just because the other side has the idea or can get it done doesn&#039;t make it bad.

But now, rather than intellectually deconstruct the issue and examine it, it&#039;s easier to scream COMMUNISM! without any knowledge of what Communism really is, or bellow out SOSHULUSM! without any knowledge of what exactly that political theory is.

It isn&#039;t about reason, political discourse, discussion, debate, and examination at all any more. It&#039;s more about catch phrases, misunderstood concepts, sound bites, and talking heads.

And it&#039;s really disappointing.

As far as the &quot;Tea Bag&quot; party goes, I find it interesting that they choose to refer to themselves by a term that nowadays refers to placing one&#039;s testicles on the forehead of another person, usually by force.

It&#039;s very hard to take them seriously, or even think that they aren&#039;t trying to do politically exactly what the name is.

Hold the American electorate down and rub their sweaty balls on the foreheads of the American people.

They invoke the names of the Founding Fathers, but actually have little to no knowledge of the men behind the carefully crafted images. Do I think Thomas Jefferson and the other Founding Fathers would support Universal Health Care? Since ALL MEN are created EQUAL, and they believed in the right to LIFE, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, how could they not? Shouldn&#039;t everyone have the opportunity for equal care? Do they not have the right to life, a happy life?

Man, I could go on and on and on.

And you can probably see why I&#039;m not really considered a Republican any more, even though the majority of my political beliefs haven&#039;t changed since the mid-80&#039;s.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s one thing that annoys me about the current Republican party. I was raised Republican, and taught that just because the other side has the idea or can get it done doesn&#8217;t make it bad.</p>
<p>But now, rather than intellectually deconstruct the issue and examine it, it&#8217;s easier to scream COMMUNISM! without any knowledge of what Communism really is, or bellow out SOSHULUSM! without any knowledge of what exactly that political theory is.</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t about reason, political discourse, discussion, debate, and examination at all any more. It&#8217;s more about catch phrases, misunderstood concepts, sound bites, and talking heads.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s really disappointing.</p>
<p>As far as the &#8220;Tea Bag&#8221; party goes, I find it interesting that they choose to refer to themselves by a term that nowadays refers to placing one&#8217;s testicles on the forehead of another person, usually by force.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very hard to take them seriously, or even think that they aren&#8217;t trying to do politically exactly what the name is.</p>
<p>Hold the American electorate down and rub their sweaty balls on the foreheads of the American people.</p>
<p>They invoke the names of the Founding Fathers, but actually have little to no knowledge of the men behind the carefully crafted images. Do I think Thomas Jefferson and the other Founding Fathers would support Universal Health Care? Since ALL MEN are created EQUAL, and they believed in the right to LIFE, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness, how could they not? Shouldn&#8217;t everyone have the opportunity for equal care? Do they not have the right to life, a happy life?</p>
<p>Man, I could go on and on and on.</p>
<p>And you can probably see why I&#8217;m not really considered a Republican any more, even though the majority of my political beliefs haven&#8217;t changed since the mid-80&#8242;s.</p>
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		<title>By: malachi</title>
		<link>http://www.whatisdeepfried.com/2010/01/18/hot-water/comment-page-1/#comment-16934</link>
		<dc:creator>malachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 02:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, in times past, I espoused exactly your view - rational debate, listening to the smart people on both sides, etc.  There&#039;s nothing wrong with rational debate when both sides are willing to ACTUALLY debate the issues.  But the Bush years showed that while both sides were full of shit to some extent, one is way more likely to use demagoguery and straight out lying to get what they want.  Find me ANY Democratic examples that sink to the level of Rove&#039;s schenanigans, the Osama-fication of Max Cleland, or the constant Orwellian rebranding of whatever laws the party wants passed or sunk (&quot;Clear Skies Initiative&quot; = more pollution; &quot;estate tax&quot; = &quot;death tax&quot;; tepid Healthcare bill = &quot;GUBMINT takeover!!!&quot;).  

If this were only a matter of a few right wing pundits shitting into the discourse, that would be one thing.  But these lies have worked their way down to the citizen level and are here to stay.  Try having a &quot;rational&quot;, &quot;honest&quot; debate in a web forum about climate change, sometime - 95% of the time, it can&#039;t be done.  No matter how many facts or studies or logical arguments you throw at them, they&#039;ve got bluster, sophistry, illogic, and talking points at the ready.  I&#039;m not debating Glen Beck, but I might as well be.  Which is why I&#039;m done being nice and finished thinking that both sides are equally noble or equally culpable in this mess that we&#039;re in.  They&#039;re not, and this myth of false equivalency is what keeps real change from occurring.  It&#039;s what causes people to think that Obama is equally responsible for the recessions and bailout.  The charlatans that got us into this mess deserve any of the ridicule and venom directed their way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, in times past, I espoused exactly your view &#8211; rational debate, listening to the smart people on both sides, etc.  There&#8217;s nothing wrong with rational debate when both sides are willing to ACTUALLY debate the issues.  But the Bush years showed that while both sides were full of shit to some extent, one is way more likely to use demagoguery and straight out lying to get what they want.  Find me ANY Democratic examples that sink to the level of Rove&#8217;s schenanigans, the Osama-fication of Max Cleland, or the constant Orwellian rebranding of whatever laws the party wants passed or sunk (&#8220;Clear Skies Initiative&#8221; = more pollution; &#8220;estate tax&#8221; = &#8220;death tax&#8221;; tepid Healthcare bill = &#8220;GUBMINT takeover!!!&#8221;).  </p>
<p>If this were only a matter of a few right wing pundits shitting into the discourse, that would be one thing.  But these lies have worked their way down to the citizen level and are here to stay.  Try having a &#8220;rational&#8221;, &#8220;honest&#8221; debate in a web forum about climate change, sometime &#8211; 95% of the time, it can&#8217;t be done.  No matter how many facts or studies or logical arguments you throw at them, they&#8217;ve got bluster, sophistry, illogic, and talking points at the ready.  I&#8217;m not debating Glen Beck, but I might as well be.  Which is why I&#8217;m done being nice and finished thinking that both sides are equally noble or equally culpable in this mess that we&#8217;re in.  They&#8217;re not, and this myth of false equivalency is what keeps real change from occurring.  It&#8217;s what causes people to think that Obama is equally responsible for the recessions and bailout.  The charlatans that got us into this mess deserve any of the ridicule and venom directed their way.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wilson</title>
		<link>http://www.whatisdeepfried.com/2010/01/18/hot-water/comment-page-1/#comment-16926</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First off, I want to say that this article was very well written and thought out. I don&#039;t normally read the stuff here, but this was just so good I had to take a gander. 

That said, I am a bit uneasy at the absolute dearth of varied opinions here. Unless someone is going to explicate the reasoning that drives the majority of the right, this is little more than a political circle jerk. Once you start assuming that the other guy is either crazy or malicious, you&#039;ve closed off your mind to rational debate. I&#039;m particular struck by the line by Jody and malachi about Republicans being the &quot;true villains&quot;. That doesn&#039;t seem to be very open to other opinions. 

The best suggestion I can offer is to not get blinded by TV personalities. Glenn Beck, Bill O&#039;Reilly, Sarah Palin... these are popular figures whose lives revolve more around the media than the government. Think of them like the hippies of the 70s, but for the right rather than the left. Sure, they are wildly popular, and their words motivate countless blind followers despite the fact that they are penned out of nothing more than a desire for fame or money, but I don&#039;t think that we should throw out all of conservative ideology simply because a few idiots decide to go for style over substance.

T-Willard brought it up with the &quot;Republican party I used to be part of&quot;. The conservative ideology there (things like small government, &quot;fair&quot; taxation, and a strong military) do make sense, even if liberals don&#039;t agree with them. Real political discourse is examining those ideas, debating them and looking at different points of views. Be wary that you don&#039;t just become an O&#039;Reilly of the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First off, I want to say that this article was very well written and thought out. I don&#8217;t normally read the stuff here, but this was just so good I had to take a gander. </p>
<p>That said, I am a bit uneasy at the absolute dearth of varied opinions here. Unless someone is going to explicate the reasoning that drives the majority of the right, this is little more than a political circle jerk. Once you start assuming that the other guy is either crazy or malicious, you&#8217;ve closed off your mind to rational debate. I&#8217;m particular struck by the line by Jody and malachi about Republicans being the &#8220;true villains&#8221;. That doesn&#8217;t seem to be very open to other opinions. </p>
<p>The best suggestion I can offer is to not get blinded by TV personalities. Glenn Beck, Bill O&#8217;Reilly, Sarah Palin&#8230; these are popular figures whose lives revolve more around the media than the government. Think of them like the hippies of the 70s, but for the right rather than the left. Sure, they are wildly popular, and their words motivate countless blind followers despite the fact that they are penned out of nothing more than a desire for fame or money, but I don&#8217;t think that we should throw out all of conservative ideology simply because a few idiots decide to go for style over substance.</p>
<p>T-Willard brought it up with the &#8220;Republican party I used to be part of&#8221;. The conservative ideology there (things like small government, &#8220;fair&#8221; taxation, and a strong military) do make sense, even if liberals don&#8217;t agree with them. Real political discourse is examining those ideas, debating them and looking at different points of views. Be wary that you don&#8217;t just become an O&#8217;Reilly of the left.</p>
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		<title>By: malachi</title>
		<link>http://www.whatisdeepfried.com/2010/01/18/hot-water/comment-page-1/#comment-16919</link>
		<dc:creator>malachi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 02:24:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jody, great points.  Expect to hear a whole lot of false equivalency in the next few months about how Dems are no better than Reps, which explains how the most liberal state in the nation can let Kennedy&#039;s seat go R at such a crucial time.  

Don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m disappointed in Obama and the Dems and I&#039;m proud that my side is critiquing their pick way earlier than conservatives began to toss Bush under the bus (&#039;06 or later).  But that being said, we should never lose track of which party the true villains reside in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jody, great points.  Expect to hear a whole lot of false equivalency in the next few months about how Dems are no better than Reps, which explains how the most liberal state in the nation can let Kennedy&#8217;s seat go R at such a crucial time.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m disappointed in Obama and the Dems and I&#8217;m proud that my side is critiquing their pick way earlier than conservatives began to toss Bush under the bus (&#8217;06 or later).  But that being said, we should never lose track of which party the true villains reside in.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>http://www.whatisdeepfried.com/2010/01/18/hot-water/comment-page-1/#comment-16909</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...that&#039;s not to say I don&#039;t have an issue with the Dems as well, of course. But when one party has been pulling in one direction for decades, and that direction is one of bigoted ignorant authoritarianism, you gotta look at who the real villains are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;that&#8217;s not to say I don&#8217;t have an issue with the Dems as well, of course. But when one party has been pulling in one direction for decades, and that direction is one of bigoted ignorant authoritarianism, you gotta look at who the real villains are.</p>
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		<title>By: Jody</title>
		<link>http://www.whatisdeepfried.com/2010/01/18/hot-water/comment-page-1/#comment-16908</link>
		<dc:creator>Jody</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeup. The GOP&#039;s party line for decades now has been &quot;fuck you; I got mine&quot;.

Wealthy elites with an overdeveloped sense of grievance have manipulating libertarian/populist useful idiots into making sure the pyramid scheme that is American capitalism keeps the money flowing in one direction. To do that, they need a broke, uneducated workforce. Mexicans are getting too big a political hot potato to just keep importing, so they&#039;re working on breaking the middle class. If something starts to bubble to the surface that looks like the country as a whole might benefit, all they need to do is shriek &quot;SOSHULISM!&quot; or &quot;FUCK YOU AL GORE!&quot; and the usual jeering mobs will jump in front of the Fox cameras, wearing tricorn hats adorned with teabags and brandishing poorly spelled placards equating Obama with Hitler, Bin Laden, Stepin Fetchit, or some combination thereof, all the while shrieking spittle-flecked slogans about how the Declaration of Independence tells them it&#039;s their God-given right to oust the darkie from their White House by force.

Plutocrats manipulating useful idiots. The lot of &#039;em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeup. The GOP&#8217;s party line for decades now has been &#8220;fuck you; I got mine&#8221;.</p>
<p>Wealthy elites with an overdeveloped sense of grievance have manipulating libertarian/populist useful idiots into making sure the pyramid scheme that is American capitalism keeps the money flowing in one direction. To do that, they need a broke, uneducated workforce. Mexicans are getting too big a political hot potato to just keep importing, so they&#8217;re working on breaking the middle class. If something starts to bubble to the surface that looks like the country as a whole might benefit, all they need to do is shriek &#8220;SOSHULISM!&#8221; or &#8220;FUCK YOU AL GORE!&#8221; and the usual jeering mobs will jump in front of the Fox cameras, wearing tricorn hats adorned with teabags and brandishing poorly spelled placards equating Obama with Hitler, Bin Laden, Stepin Fetchit, or some combination thereof, all the while shrieking spittle-flecked slogans about how the Declaration of Independence tells them it&#8217;s their God-given right to oust the darkie from their White House by force.</p>
<p>Plutocrats manipulating useful idiots. The lot of &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: rasmodeus</title>
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		<dc:creator>rasmodeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good reading material there.

captcha health care comment: doctors buck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good reading material there.</p>
<p>captcha health care comment: doctors buck</p>
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		<title>By: Tomatohead</title>
		<link>http://www.whatisdeepfried.com/2010/01/18/hot-water/comment-page-1/#comment-16892</link>
		<dc:creator>Tomatohead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:15:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kommunism on the rise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kommunism on the rise?</p>
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		<title>By: KiZeR</title>
		<link>http://www.whatisdeepfried.com/2010/01/18/hot-water/comment-page-1/#comment-16885</link>
		<dc:creator>KiZeR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 09:40:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T-Willard, this is what I hear from every republican I&#039;ve ever met.  Eventually, and I dont think it will be long now, the people will realize its not just them who don&#039;t care what Fox News has to say and its not just them who disagree with everything the republican party has become, but all their neighbors as well.  The teabagger movement is just a small band of fanatics who do not represent the opinions and desires of most American.  I seriously doubt there even will be a republican party in 10 to 20 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T-Willard, this is what I hear from every republican I&#8217;ve ever met.  Eventually, and I dont think it will be long now, the people will realize its not just them who don&#8217;t care what Fox News has to say and its not just them who disagree with everything the republican party has become, but all their neighbors as well.  The teabagger movement is just a small band of fanatics who do not represent the opinions and desires of most American.  I seriously doubt there even will be a republican party in 10 to 20 years.</p>
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		<title>By: T-Willard</title>
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		<dc:creator>T-Willard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 03:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What irritates me is that the majority of &quot;Republicans&quot; nowadays aren&#039;t even anything remotely related to the Republican party I used to be a part of. Nowadays it isn&#039;t about making sure America succeeds (yeah, I bought the party line, but I was young) but rather make sure those with the most money to throw at the politicians get what they want. It isn&#039;t about a government small enough to do the job, about fair taxation, about a strong military (not a runaway one designed to fight a war already won over a decade ago), about breaking monopolies and those with predatory business practices.

Now it&#039;s all about clamping down and being intolerant, ignorant, bigoted, and jumping up and down wrapped in a flag and screaming patriotism at the top of their lungs like a retarded gibbon.

All the while sucking like a fat leech at the country they claim to serve, who&#039;s government service isn&#039;t for the benefit of anyone but them.

Palin&#039;s the perfect brain dead spokesperson for the new &quot;Republican Party&quot;, brainless, ignorant and willfully so, easily led and uncaring about history or motives, vain, petty, and ultimately out for number one.

Screw the Republican party, and all the wanna-be fascists and greedy bastards who claim they only want what&#039;s best for the country.

All you have to do is give up essential liberties, freedoms fought and paid for in blood, and mindlessly follow along.

Bitter? Yeah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What irritates me is that the majority of &#8220;Republicans&#8221; nowadays aren&#8217;t even anything remotely related to the Republican party I used to be a part of. Nowadays it isn&#8217;t about making sure America succeeds (yeah, I bought the party line, but I was young) but rather make sure those with the most money to throw at the politicians get what they want. It isn&#8217;t about a government small enough to do the job, about fair taxation, about a strong military (not a runaway one designed to fight a war already won over a decade ago), about breaking monopolies and those with predatory business practices.</p>
<p>Now it&#8217;s all about clamping down and being intolerant, ignorant, bigoted, and jumping up and down wrapped in a flag and screaming patriotism at the top of their lungs like a retarded gibbon.</p>
<p>All the while sucking like a fat leech at the country they claim to serve, who&#8217;s government service isn&#8217;t for the benefit of anyone but them.</p>
<p>Palin&#8217;s the perfect brain dead spokesperson for the new &#8220;Republican Party&#8221;, brainless, ignorant and willfully so, easily led and uncaring about history or motives, vain, petty, and ultimately out for number one.</p>
<p>Screw the Republican party, and all the wanna-be fascists and greedy bastards who claim they only want what&#8217;s best for the country.</p>
<p>All you have to do is give up essential liberties, freedoms fought and paid for in blood, and mindlessly follow along.</p>
<p>Bitter? Yeah.</p>
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